These Are Our Bad Automotive Opinions [Doug DeMuro + Alanis King]

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Tune in as I talk with Alanis about our bad viewpoints. What is acceptable and what is just down best WRONG! Some of this may be shockingly bad to you. Inform us your bad automobile opinions in the comments, but please be nice.:-RRB-.

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CHAPTERS:.
00:00 CARS & BIDS!!!
00:32 Introduction.
01:58 A Bad Viewpoint About Technology.
08:04 A Rather Unorthodox Car.
12:50 Are We Too Dependent??
21:09 Doug Is Siding With The Cars And Truck Dealerships.
25:23 The Gravest Sin.
29:42 Outro.

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These Are Our Bad Opinions [Doug DeMuro + Alanis King]

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78 Comments

  1. I love how the title is “bad automotive opinions” and yet people in the comments are still like “man idk these are some bad takes I disagree with”……like yes that’s the idea haha

  2. That car reliance hot take is so true. Part of the reason I want public transit and walking/biking infrastructure is because it gives people the most freedom of choice! I love cars but I also love walking and biking outside on a good day, and taking a train can be fun.

    1. The problem with it though is those advocating for public transit and pedestrian infrastructure, always do so at the expense of road users. They take existing utilized traffic lanes and convert them to unused bike lanes. I would have far less problems with it if they didn’t do this. Here we have “multi-use” paths on some roads, which are basically widen sidewalks to share between people and bikes….I’m ALL FOR THIS. We also have downtown streets getting converted to one way and half of it turned into bike lanes, I’m NOT FOR THIS.

    2. @SomeGuy’s Garage driving downtown sucks, and just isn’t a place that massive 2 ton vehicles should coexist with pedestrians or people on bikes. You’re not having fun driving there, cars take up valuable space, and really devastate air quality. You can’t structure a dense urban center that is walkable if it has to also primarily function for cars. Ultimately public transit needs to be advantageous to convince people to use it. Something like a park and ride solves this problem. The whole point of critiquing car centric infrastructure is that we shouldn’t be catering society to some randoms who just want to be so disconnected from the world that it makes everything worse for the people around them.

    3. @SomeGuy’s Garage 
      I definitely get where you’re coming from! 

      But making streets where people can walk, bike, and drive is a balancing act. For decades we’ve prioritized cars over other modes of transit, the multi-use paths represent a rebalancing from the overprioritizaiton on cars.

      I understand that can be frustrating when you try to drive and there are less lanes, but imagine how frustrating it is to try to walk where there are no sidewalks or bike when there are no bike lanes

      Bike lanes make sense in a lot of areas because sometimes pedestrian traffic and bike traffic would warrant separation. Just like cars don’t like bikes in the same lanes, bikes don’t like dealing with people on sidewalks. Mixed speeds of transit make it uncomfortable when they mix, which is why bike lanes could be warranted

      Also on the comment on unused bike lanes. There may be a lot of reasons for this. Lots of bike lanes are not connected, which would feel the same as if you were driving down Main Street and then the road suddenly stops. This phenomenon makes it unendingly hard to use bikes

      Additionally, bikes just visually take up less space, so if you’re doing the eye test, it may not look like loads of people are using it, but in comparison to many car only streets, mixed use streets tend to be much better than car only streets for moving the most people. If those people who biked used cars, the traffic would be much worse

      I appreciate that this conversation is happening on Doug’s channel! Hope anyone who read this is having a good day

    4. ​@SomeGuysGarage You say that as if cars don’t take space away from pedestrians and alternative vehicles, I mean almost every city in the usa used to have tram lines all across their cities and they destroyed them to make space for cars. Also, if the objective is to get people out of their cars we need to make them have a reason to consider get out of them and give them a safe way to do so and the best way is to take the infrastructure that already exist and adapt it

  3. Wow, I’m actually very happy to see more and more YouTubers become aware and critical of car dependence in America.

    Very cool

    1. So, while I am all for alternative modes of transportation…. America is fundamentally different to almost every other country because of population density and scale. I would have been very happy for Doug to provide some solutions he thought would be viable.

      Despite our history and hate of taxes in America…. Cities like to use public transit as a money-maker, so it winds up being more economical to take a car(which is kinda crazy, but understandable given the distances that need to be covered by vehicle outside of work. Also the average distance to commute to work in the US is 23 miles). Also, we like to be very independent culturally(for better or worse). We shift dependence from cars to public transit, the public transit will become the burden(Tokyo is an excellent example of this).

      It is a very difficult question and very easy for Europeans to judge us for our dependence on vehicles. I guess the closest comparison would be Australia, but they have a lot less people settled outside of the coast, whereas we have a lot of people in the midwest. So while a good start, it isnt very easy to compare the two.

    2. @Brad Miller how so? If there are less and less people on cars and more of them walking/using public transport there’s just more place for us to have fun

    3. @longwing detrain how you use land is a choice at the end of the day. Zoning laws that don’t allow building commercial property within a suburb were also a choice. Low population density of the US isn’t inherent, that’s how it was built. And the country itself being huge isn’t really a good excuse for having to drive everywhere within your own city. There’s an excellent NotJustBikes video on this exact topic
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REni8Oi1QJQ
      I don’t have a solution for you, unfortunately. To me at least it seems unfixable within our lifetimes, since everything was built like that, and only a very slow change to European standards of city-building would be financially viable, if even that

    4. @longwing detrain When you can’t build a high speed railway because every single city along the line wants a station, which essentially destroys the whole concept of high speed railway, you are in some serious problem with building your infrastructure.

  4. I love that they would always get the other person to agree with their idea. Bravo. More of you two doing videos. These are great. And the car reviews.

  5. Touchscreens are good as long as you keep a few buttons like you said. If you converted every feature and parameter on a modern car into a button it would be like driving in the cockpit of a commercial airliner.

    1. BMW before they went full double wide with screen was perfect ratio of screen to physical buttons. For example G20 3 series pre-LCI

    2. There are a few important buttons, like hazards and wipers. I go further than Doug here — climate is fine in the touchscreen.

    3. @Kevin Glanville Climate is a pain in the screen just because it can be hard to hit the buttons when the road isn’t as smooth as glass.

    4. People love CarPlay, for example, and obviously you can’t make it fully button-based, the main benefit of it is that it feels like a smartphone. However, for some stuff like cruise control, wipers and climate control I strongly feel that it has to be a physical button. Capacitive buttons or small screens don’t quite do it, you need to be able to find those things without ever looking at them

    5. ​@Ralph Hardwick Climate can be controlled by voice and the left wheel button, though I find I don’t adjust it much because the automatic temp control works well.

  6. YES! THANK YOU! I’ve been struggling to express my disdain for car dependency while still being a huge car enthusiast, I’m so glad I’m not the only one!

    1. Same here, big petrol head, but realise that car dependency is a problem.. so let’s look at the alternatives so we can keep driving/riding as a hobby in the future

    2. Yep I’ll just hop on a local train in the middle of bfe Kansas to go to the grocery store

    3. @speterbilt well yeah you don’t have an option. And if you live rural there probably will never be. But, let’s say, you live outside of Topeka and work downtown, wouldn’t it be nice to get a train/bus?

    4. I think it’s a cultural phenomenon, and it has been this way for at least half a century. When we turn 16, it’s just a “thing we’re supposed to do.” You turn 16, you get your license – it’s a right of passage moreso than any kind of necessity.

      I love cars. I also know that there are *serious* improvements to be made in the way we travel in this country.

  7. 0:09 I hope Doug has booked a review of this Lagonda, cause it has a completely different dashboard from the one he reviewed, it’s the original and most insane and unreliable one. To show how crazy the Lagonda was, it had basically 3 different versions throughout its life and all of them had completely different dashboard tech and layout. First one was the LED with touch controls, the second was the one he reviewed with the CRTs and the third one had VFD displays.

  8. Making bicycling enjoyable would make car driving more enjoyable. In the Netherlands they have asphalt bike paths that are separated from the main road with a row a trees. And on the other side of your bike path is a fricken beautiful tulip field! So awesome! Biking is an enjoyable activity there. When in Florida if you go on a bike, the sidewalks end, the bike paths end, and there is no separation between the bikes and traffic. So if you ride a bike in Florida, you’re gonna die by a car hitting you.

  9. I didn’t notice anyone ever saying that touchscreens were bad. People just want buttons for the car functions they use all the time. Climate controls, radio, headlights etc. I don’t care where the function to change the ambient color is, but I want a knob or at least some buttons to change the fanspeed and the temperature.

    1. I’ve definitely seen a good amount of people online hate the concept of touch screens across multiple sites.

    2. You must not have been around when Mercedes and BMW introduced their systems. Even the print media railed against this feature. To be fair, there were no ergonomic standards back then, and in these early systems you’d sometimes have to wade through several menus just to change a radio station. (Which reminds me — “next track” is often used to change stations, so I think it legitimately should be a button.)

    3. Yeah, the phone feature in late 90’s early 00 vehicles was a perfect example… Even if you never used it, you always had a phone dialpad on your center stack.

      Important buttons are great (traction control, heated/cooled seats, climate control, 4wd functions, windows, mirrors) the rest can be a touchscreen menu.

    4. @Benjamin Robinson I don’t think I ever used BMWs first touch screen system. But if it was as good as their first iDrive, then I guess the print media had a point. 😀
      I always feared that whoever I drove to might have moved house, by the time I entered his address in the satnav..

  10. The solution to dealer markups is have automakers sell direct to consumer at MSRP like basically every other commodity. Then it is fair and equitable and profitable for all involved.

    1. Unfortunately the national dealer lobby is powerful with lots of cash and essentially able to BUY your elected representative.

    2. We have dealers in Europe and no dealer is selling over MSRP. This is solely the problem of US and A.

    3. Let the auto manufacturer raise the price, not the dealers is my personal stance on this topic. I think if the website says $35,995 but the dealer says $40,000, that’s ridiculous and false advertising. Let the company set the price.

    4. It helps me to not be too mad at them because right now I couldn’t afford those cars at MSRP anyway. LOL

    5. Laws forbid manufacturers selling directly to consumers or owning their dealer networks. This is not free market and people understandably hate it. Get rid of dealers and put every new car on opening bidding like ebay or even Cars and Bids.

  11. I agree on touchscreens. Touchscreens are great especially for improvements over time. I do like physical climate controls though.

    1. There are certain things that should always be a physical button. Audio on/off, climate controls, hazard lights, and defrosters need physical buttons that can be accessed instantly.

    2. Same! I don’t understand the *hate* for touchscreens. Now, I very much am.annoyed by the volume and at LEAST basic climate controls under screen menus. Otherwise, I can find all the offroad stuff in my truck and most of the tech in screens. And I like it!

    3. Having driven a car without dedicated physical climate buttons for a few months, I haven’t missed them even a little.

  12. I am LOVING that someone in cartube agrees that we’re too reliant on cars. We spread this around and maybe at some point we can make our cities walkable.

    1. Smoking Tire has expressed similar sentiments. And has had guests (experts and authors) on their podcast that talk about the future of city planning, livability, and the compatibility with auto enthusiasm.

    2. Someone saying that moving away from cars and using more public transport and bikes will allow us to enjoy cars more, because the traffic will get lighter, is totally ignorant and clearly has never been in Europe. The econuts will paunce on every opportunity to limit roads, lanes and kill any opportunity to drive and have fun behind the wheel. This is a trap!

    3. @Axe2Grind There’s plenty of people in 4 season urban climates that would agree with the original post. One of the primary issues in 🇺🇸 that makes this unfathomable is that there has been a chronic underinvestment in infrastructure for the last ~50 years. Good public transit can work just as well and be as convenient in cold climates as California.

    4. ​@Axe2Grindyea it’s 100° for about most of the summer here year after year no way in hell I’m walking around town

  13. Doug: “Dealer markups… make sense.”
    Alanis: “NOOOO, DOUG!”
    😂😂😂
    There’s the first real bad opinion. 21:10

  14. Super avid car enthusiast here (like just about everyone) and used to HATE the idea of public transportation and taking away the car dependency.

    I recently vacationed in Tokyo, and this has completely changed my mind.

    It’s fast, convenient, clean. Walking a small distance is super nice too. And you can still have your fun time car if you want. Imagine a city where far more people than LA, wayyy bigger than LA, but with zero traffic jams.

    It really is just better.

    1. I used to commute by light rail and it was so much more relaxing to walk to my stop, hop on a train etc than fight traffic each and every time

    2. In Tokyo it’s clean, convenient, and efficient. Try that in most cities in the USA. Trash, graffiti and violence is what you’ll get.

  15. The thing about up-badging is that the only people who would even notice the badging are the same people who are going to know the badges are fake.

  16. It’s a revelation to hear your opinions on car dependency. I just took the thalys from Brussels to Paris and being able to drive 300km/h without traffic jams or red lights is such a great timesaver. And all with a lower carbon footprint

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