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Today, Kennan and I are discussing among the most famous supercars of perpetuity: the McLaren F1. But let's be real here, folks, this car is extremely overrated. Sure, it was fast in the past, but by today's standards, it's not that excellent. So while the McLaren F1 may have been a groundbreaking supercar at the time, it's certainly not worth the hype it gets today. Inform us who is right or incorrect in the comments.
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Is the McLaren F1 Overrated?
Doug’s the type of guy to make wonderful videos for us all to watch! π
you should make videos
Smart move Doug, tanking the market, buying 2 F1 and then going “is the F1 underappreciated?”. Top player
His cheering for Rivian hasn’t helped them and I say that as a stock holder that wishes it had… π
Unfortunately, Doug isn’t a market maker by only his own power.
@The Broken Life what do you wish, as an investor in Rivian, that they could do to increase brand awareness?
@Adrian Navarro
Thats all okay. but the fact remains tht Gordon Murray to this dayeven says h e wished he hd used more BMW parts in the F1 to make it better
β@The Broken Life yeah, he also didn’t tank LFA prices when he called it overhyped, twice.
Doug the type to eat chocolate chip cookies on a Carrera GT fuel door
It’s already A Thing now. He can’t stop.
And dip them in 10wt 30.
Doug is also the type of guy that would completely lose it if someone else rested their biscotti on his Carrera GT, regardless wether it had a napkin/paper towel under it.
@rich gallagher Truth. But, to be honest, so would I.
@Barrett Benton But of course itβs OK for them to do it
That fact that it still is the fastest naturally aspirated cars to this day is wild
The result of a company that is racing focused putting all their time and resources into building the best car they possibly can.
With engines being requested to be so eco friendly we are lucky to even have engines to these days. But a powerful naturally aspirated one is never going to happen again, in fact I can’t figure out how the new Corvette managed to see the light
@Sebastian Zamparooo Gordon Murray is releasing 2 NA Cosworth V12s that rev to 12,100 and 11,000 rpm with 600+ hp and 400+ Nm of torque for his T.50 and T.33, so luckily for us there will be π
@Ericship8 it didn’t do 237 gps!
@tattttu9everyone stopped using NA altogether. Itβs actually better for top speed.
Doug is the type of guy to sell his best friend Ken the Cars and Bids t-shirt for double the price
Watching a couple of guys geek out about tail lights…this is heaven.
Is it tho?
Doug made only horrible, invalid and incorrect points about the tail lights.
Round taillights are perfection! Simply elegant and Corvette should never have changed.
@Ded channel Yet you probably typed all that on an iPhone
@Ded channel C6 widebody cars are still the best tho?
Basic shapes are timeless. The arbitrary shaped lights of modern cars (and they’re countless creases/cuts/lines/etc) are going to make them age worse than anything that came.
@Spencer Maiers “How can you tell? It’s new!” is the most childish opinion in this i’ve ever seen, lol people can name a dozen cars that a certain generation is much better than latest… toyota mr2 2nd gen vs 3rd gen? mitsubishi eclipse 3rd gen vs 4th? any m3 that are older than current bugs bunny generation? or any muscle car from 70s that’s better than their early 80s counterpart
@Privacy Clearly my entire comment, overfilled and spilling over with sarcasm and mockery, was completely lost on you! But no problem, I’m sure with careful study and a humor surgery (would that be top or bottom surgery to add back the humor option?) That you’ll be right as rain.
Doug looked pretty impressed riding in it with Leno.
How long ago was that?
Wasnt also the fact that he was with jay leno?
@Stefan AndreLike 3 years ago
i would be impressed too if i was being driven around by jay leno in his 20 million dollar car, doesn’t matter even if it was a tuk tuk if its really worth 20m in the market.
He also loved driving the LFA and called it overrated.
Enjoying a car doesn’t mean that it can’t be considered overrated.
Doug, the engine was built completely from scratch. Gordon himself has confirmed this multiple times. See his interview with Chris Harris, it is at the 51:00 mark.
Sort of, he ordered it from Paul Roche that worked at BMW at the time, he used the V12 from the 8 series as a starting point, but it was severely modified.
@Matheus Silva layout design sure, but if Gordon says it was built from scratch, I tend to believe him.
β@Matheus Silvait has nothing in common with the 8 series v12, not even the block, biggest similarities are with the e36 m3 3.2l Euro evo engine, S70/2 is basically two s50b32 engines mated together.
@Kristaps Dz technically the E36 has half the F1 engine as it came first. It is not two mated together.
Doug said it himself in his F1 review “It basically has no equal”
Yes but is it 20million unequal is his question. It’s value or perceived value has exploded in the last couple of years. Compared to others cars of the similar era it’s not even in the same solar system anymore.
Uh. gordon murray t.50
The fact that, almost 30 years itβs still one of the fastest cars out there (not only on top speed), the racing achievements and that soundβ¦ how many cars do you know that are still this good?
First generation VW GTI are still that good π. And the E30 M3!
Plus, the timeless looks..
The orange F1 LM is my favourite car of all time. Definitely overpriced but not overrated. I wish other car manufacturers would copy the seat layout. Something like a center drive 911 would be awesome.
The only modern car that copies the center seat layout is the GMA T50, but Gordon Murray also is behind that as well.
There was also the German banker who commuted from Frankfurt to Bonn everyday on the Autobahn at 200+ mph and the car needed servicing every month so the dedicated F1 mechanic flew out from the factory in Woking to do it. See Autocar write-up.
Lol
Thomas Bscher is that man. He was not just a ‘banker’ but also a gentleman race car driver. He actually convinced McLaren to take the F1 racing and himself drove the McLaren F1 GTR in the BPR GT championship in 1995.
Even Gordon Murray himself admitted that the biggest problem with the F-1 is the absolutely insane cost of maintaining it.
Mostly he complained about the crazy value causing insurance to be prohibitively high…you have to pay insane amounts to drive it on the road.
Although the maintenance is tremendously expensive, its not as expensive as many probably think (and especially not as expensive as some video on youtube tries to convince you to think it isβ¦). Yes, bodywork for example is a lot of dough, but just keeping it running and giving it a good car life is way way less $$$ than one would assume. yeah, as pistonburner mentions, insurance is a thing. but, as it loses not that much value if you throw it in a ditch (and economically cant be totaled), there are multiple owners who do liability only and have a separate collection insurance which only covers the parked/stored car.
@Max Heeschter
I’m also going by the words of a previous owner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsKDGdcb6BQ
@Max Heeschter gas tank bladder has to be replaced periodically and is prohibitively expensive. But itβs also worth a lot so the maintenance costs become a wash.
β@Max Heeschter it will cost you about 50k a year on average in maintenance without you ever even driving it. Its an incredibly expensive car to own.
At this point, Doug needs to start a podcast for his Sunday videos where he invites a guest/friend for this content
wtf is that profile picπππ
β@Ded channel It’s a bot, the bot also copied this comment from another person and the bot has also more likes than the comment from the person who originally made the comment. I had the same on the AutoTopNL channel.
The Smoking Demuro.
The talk show videos he did for Jalopnik were so good
π I’m down to be on the podcast
Besides the lightness and engineering perfectionism, the top speed record, and winning Le Mans, what really put the car in a completely different league was the way it was designed to be somewhat practical and enjoyable to drive (even at low speeds) — the central driving position and mirrors with outstanding all-around visibility, the space for luggage, the fact your legs were’t offset to the middle like other mid-engine supercars of the era.
I love how Doug, even after all this success, is still just being himself. Nice, down-to-earth guy who genuine likes cars just like the rest of us.
I remember reading about the F1 in this subscription thing I got when I was like 10 called βWheels & Wingsβ. They dubbed it, βThe Million Dollar Sports Carβ. I fell in love with it immediately. Absolutely gorgeous car with performance to match. It will never not be at the top of my list, no matter how unattainable it is.
Awesome shirt Doug, the Shotover Jet is amazing and Iβm glad you got to experience that! The Dart River jet is also incredible, in fact one of the greatest outdoor recreational experiences Iβve had